The Future of Healthcare: Live With Intent
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The Future of Healthcare: Live With Intent
Beyond the Pill Solution - MedWallet with Cordula Keppler (Switzerland)
Cordula Keppler is a Safety Network Insights Leader for Advanced Therapy Medicinal Products and Non-Onco Hematology at Roche.
With extensive experience in various functions within Roche, including Medical Affairs, Patient Safety, and Regulatory, has given her a systems perspective for the future of healthcare.One of Cordula's most exciting, and personal, contributions is her work with Roche's MedWallet, a groundbreaking therapy accompanying app that is transforming the way patients manage their medications and healthcare information. MedWallet provides a centralized platform where patients can access vital information about their ongoing medications, keep track of their medical care team, and seamlessly share this information with family, friends, and healthcare professionals whenever needed.
Welcome to the future of healthcare Live With Intent podcast with Justin Tomlinson and Thomas Reichart, authors of Live With Intent and architects of the LWI Learning Pathway. This week we have the pleasure of speaking with Cordula Kepler, safety Network Insights Leader for Advanced Therapy, medicinal Products and Non-Encohematology at Roche. Cordula's extensive experience in various functions within Roche, including medical affairs, patient safety and regulatory, has shaped her deep understanding of the industry. Join us as we learn more about Cordula's journey, mindset and personal motivation to inspire new standards for pharmaceutical companies to deliver crucial information, including her work with the MedWallet app.
Speaker 2:Welcome back to a new Live With Intent podcast. We're really happy to introduce our today's guest. Welcome Cordula Kepler. Welcome, cordula, great to have you with us.
Speaker 3:Hi, so nice to be here with you, Justin and Thomas.
Speaker 4:Great to be with you.
Speaker 2:Cordula, you work as a Safety Network Insights Leader. I understand you're passionate about medical innovation and about pharmaceutical science and the opportunities they bring or they have in order to change the global health issues and problems. You're aiming for working closely with people to improve patients' lives and I understand you've been honing and working away within Roche on a product called MedWallet and digital safety and we're excited to hear more about that.
Speaker 3:Thank you. Yeah, looking forward to sharing more about it with you.
Speaker 2:Well, I can't believe. We met a few weeks ago and said hi and gosh. It was like was it two years ago when we had the coaching on the presentation you gave in Berlin.
Speaker 3:I think it was like a year ago, but it feels like more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right. Yeah, so I remember you gave a keynote in Berlin right for the great safety meeting, gpv in Berlin.
Speaker 3:Exactly yeah, and you did come some great coaching there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we just ran into each other just in front of building too, and connected hey, how are you doing? And said, well, no, why haven't we had you on the podcast? And so we're excited that you are joining us today and we'd like to learn more about you as a person. We'd like to understand a bit more. Hey, where did you grow up and how have we been so fortunate to have you in healthcare?
Speaker 3:Yeah, so happy to share a little bit. I think I don't have like a super crazy background. I grew up in Switzerland, near Barlville and also spent most of my life here and yeah, I had, like I would say, quite normal Swiss way of growing up. But I think what also brought me into healthcare from the beginning on was that I love to explore. I have always loved to explore, and I remember that my grandfather he was like a biologist and also a mathematics teacher, and so he used to take us outside and show us different things from nature and explain us biology or do with us some different mathematics riddles, so these natural sciences that really fascinated me so much from the beginning on, and so I think that was like the passion that I brought from when I was a very little girl and so at the end of high school it was very clear to me that first of all, I wanted to really go outside and explore the world, not only biology, but see like what is going out there right in my horizon. So I traveled to South America and worked there and really experienced like South America and this culture.
Speaker 3:And the second thing that was very clear to me was that I wanted to study medical technology and see how can we bring like solutions to the problems we have with the technology. And so that's how I started to study health sciences and technology and then also biomedical engineering, and masters are basically to bring this medical technology to our patients. Yeah, and this was really great. I love this interdisciplinary approach. I love to bring both like this medical and part was also technology part together.
Speaker 3:And we had one lecture where we needed to develop the solution for a problem, so it was about getting more extraction from a test, and I was so fascinated by really developing a solution and we brought like a product into place, and from this moment on it was clear to me that I want to go into the industry and really do something that can be used by patients. And so I did a massive thesis that I'm at Drosch in research and just talk to a hundred different people to find out what can I do, what is really the possibilities to bring my skills into place, and that's how I basically found out the great opportunity to set a Swiss affiliate to bring this medical solutions basically to our patients in the Swiss system.
Speaker 2:Thanks for sharing Wonderful and what country stood out in South America.
Speaker 3:Well, I was in different places. I started in Tessarica and then did Bolivia, peru and Chile and after that I traveled several more times to Ecuador and Argentina. But I think the closest to my heart is definitely Argentina because my family from my husband is from there, but also Bolivia. So these two places I can really recommend going there.
Speaker 2:Wow, thanks. Well, we've actually been there with Drosch and those places and glad to hear that you started with Costa Rica, because I'm one of those places as well.
Speaker 3:It is definitely very beautiful.
Speaker 4:What did you learn from your time in South America?
Speaker 3:Many things, I guess. So, first of all, just this different lens and this different way of living. I think I would not be even the same person without having gone there, like early on as a young adult, because it changed my way of how I see life as a whole, just understanding that there are places that were completely different but also that do not have the resources we have. I think that really touched me a lot, to see these differences and also this urge to try to do something to help them. But then also this warmth and this culture of giving and this kindness of the Latin Latino people. I think these are the two things that I brought with me and that has since not gone from me, that I still have with me.
Speaker 4:That resonates so much with me in the time that we've spent in South America. The only thing I had probably add is the dancing. These people can dance.
Speaker 3:That's true Especially in Cuba. I went to Cuba this year and dancing was very exciting Over time. That was so great.
Speaker 4:So, thomas, I think I see why you're so connected with and appreciate Cordula so much is that you're both education pursuers. How would you say that You're both lovers of education? So I know that, cordula, you have a bachelor's degree in health sciences and technology and then went on to get your master's degree in biomedical and medical engineering and, even beyond that, an international education project on computer science. So what is it about? Education that is so attractive to you to where you just can't stop yourself?
Speaker 3:That's a good question and you phrased it very nicely. Yeah, so I think that like educating or teaching, was something I have always loved, because I love to make knowledge accessible to people. I love to like help people to have this understanding moment of oh, I can take something with me and that was so thrilling to me, Like since I know I was teaching in places, or since I was a little bit older. So I always love to do that and so naturally also during my university time I wanted to work in teaching. So I was working as a teaching assistant to continue doing that, to bring this like computational stuff and this knowledge about informatics to the students and help them understand and help them bring that into practice. So I think it's this connection with the students that you have that will thrilled me, and also this like ability to bring something, to break something down that they can take with them afterwards.
Speaker 4:You know, I love to have you share with our audience and teach our audience what you've learned about generating energy for yourself, because you have so much positive energy forward. At both times that I've met you, I feel that you do something to generate energy in your life. What's your secret?
Speaker 3:Oh wow. First of all, thank you. That's nice to see. Do I have a secret? I think in general I'm a quite positive person and I try to also look at the positive, like at positive in the world, and I want to be someone who can bring something out, or I want to like inspire other people and bring, as you say, this energy to others, and I think this is just what motivates me, let's say, every day to do, to go with with that attitude of bringing something in and let it flow through myself, if that makes sense. So I think that's just something that I also get the most energy from it. If I see that I can ignite other people, that I can like have that spark blowing to the other person, and that then what makes my day, that's probably how I get energy and give energy.
Speaker 4:And maybe there's a connection with learning new things. I watch Thomas, as he's always learning new things. He always shows up at different settings that we're involved with, and he's always excited about something new he's learned, and so maybe that's one of your traits as well, is that, because you're always learning, you're always excited to share something?
Speaker 3:Wow, that's a good idea or a good thought. I have not thought about that, but yeah, I think that's absolutely makes sense. I'm someone who loves to learn and that gives me a lot of, or that creates a lot of energy, so maybe that's the source of energy the growing and the learning.
Speaker 2:I love hearing that you did a project in Quito and that in Ecuador you were working and use your Spanish and make a difference there. When working with the enabling team in Quito, I was amazed at their willingness to learn and their hunger to learn new stuff. That was for Justin and I. That was like unusual the energy of wanting to learn, and did you experience that as well? Is that a cultural thing in Quito? Is that what would you say?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it seems like it. So I had the same experience when I was there. So my work there was to introduce a new informatics course in high school in Quito in Ecuador, and I went there. This was something that we had at university and we brought it basically to high school and so it was quite advanced, and I was so inspired, as you say, about their willingness to integrate that and to be pioneers and have these new tools being learned and being provided to their scholars. So that's something where I was fascinated to see that they were even ahead of, like many European places, right that they start to really think about what do we need next, and they are open and willing to learn that and to get them up to speed. So I had the same experience as you, thomas.
Speaker 4:Hables to Espanyol.
Speaker 3:Sí, sí claro.
Speaker 4:Where did you learn to speak Spanish?
Speaker 3:Yeah, so after my high school I went to this trip that I told you, and so Costa Rica and so on, and during that time I learned Spanish. So basically by being there and working with them, it was quite easy to learn it because I was immersed into Spanish and since then I had the great pleasure that my family now is, like part of it, is Argentinian. So my husband is half Argentinian and through that I still have connections and can practice Spanish and still for that nice.
Speaker 4:And so does that mean you went to South America to teach and learn and you came home with a husband? No, so he's Swiss.
Speaker 3:I know him from high school and it was just coincidence that, like the South American part, I think I needed to go there to be prepared for my family now.
Speaker 2:So, hey, what influence your decision to be working with a safety function in Roche, one of the most prominent and innovative safety functions in the industry today, especially with Imagine Safety and shaping the future of safety? How did that happen to you? How did you decide to get into this special function of Roche?
Speaker 3:Yeah. So to be honest, it was not something that I have always in my mind, that it was clear to me when I entered Roche to say I will start in safety. But as often as it comes, there was this great opportunity to start in this new position which was called the Patient Safety Communications Partner, and it was a new position that was focusing on really bringing this patient safety to our patients in Switzerland, and we haven't had that before. So it was the goal to move a little bit away from just the processes and the e-reporting towards what is the impact that safety can bring very tangibly. And this was a great opportunity because it was new, it was again this exploring, and it was so relevant to me.
Speaker 3:So I was fascinated first of all, by this pioneering spirit, but then also, on the other hand, really about the area of patient safety, of the idea of bringing something to our patients that would make their lives better, that would make their treatment safer and, through that, also improve their quality of life. So that's what I, when I thought about it, it was like, yes, that's what I want to do, I can really bring something in and I can change the current state of how we think about safety and also about the safety of our patients. So that's why I started this and since I have never regretted it because it has been a great experience. It has been so many different projects that we've given forward and really also seeing the impact we can bring by thinking about the safety of our customers, of patients.
Speaker 2:Thanks, Thanks. And how would you describe? How would you describe as you experience the culture and the feel of being within Roche Safety?
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's a good question. There are so many things that come to my mind. So, first of all, I think I love the drive that the patient safety community has in Roche and I'm really astonished to see this desire of every person I met so far of really moving the needle, changing something pioneering, exploring and being courageous to bring something into place that hasn't been very predominantly before. So I think that's one thing, this drive and this energy and this motivation to change something. And then also, on the other hand, I think in general at Roche, I love to see this proactivity. So people at Roche have the opportunity and also are doing that to really be very conscious about what do they want to do and move towards it and make it happen. So to see that coming together, this exploration and this enthusiasm, together with really pushing something forward, that's what motivates me most and also is what I would describe the culture of patient safety at Roche.
Speaker 2:Question for both of you. How do pharmaceutical companies do that? How does Roche do that? To attract the kind of talent like you call to learn, the kind of talent that you have within safety? To Roche.
Speaker 3:Justin, you want to start?
Speaker 4:Yeah, you know, for me, I think that Roche is very much in the innovation space in terms of wanting to be out front and wanting to push the envelope, and they're not afraid to take the lead and even make some mistakes and learn from them and keep going. And so I find that one of the key underlying factors of people joining the Roche team is the people who are wanting to find the next frontier. It's the people who want to explore what's coming next versus maybe operationalize what's already here.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I think that resonates a lot with me. That's absolutely what I can see as well, and I think another thing that I also see is the culture that Roche provides is that you need to do something and you can do it. If you see the value, you can make great things happen, but it's also required that you bring this productivity and that you are someone to make things happen. So I think that's something that I see a lot, that we are having many people that have an extremely key ambition of what they want to bring to the table and what they want to bring forward, and then also people that will not only dream but make things happen. So maybe these two things.
Speaker 4:Thomas, maybe I can just build on this question that you've asked, with the reality that in healthcare there's always so many setbacks, and one of the things that I find this personality trait we've been talking about so valuable is the ability to stay proactive and to overcome setbacks. So maybe that's a question we could explore a little bit with you, grudula, is how do you deal with setbacks?
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's a good question. So I think in general I'm struggling with it. Like often personally at least, if I have setbacks, I need to be very clear that this is part of the deal and I need to consciously like make myself aware that this is part and that I can handle it. I think what helps me a lot is that I'm can, I say I want to, I see what I want to achieve, and then if I struggle and if I fall down, I try to say okay, there will be another way or we can find another way.
Speaker 3:So I think this trying again, this not giving up, that's something that helps me to move on, but that's not to say that it doesn't cost me a lot. So I'm still struggling with it a lot. It's just I think it's part of the deal in healthcare anyways, and in pharmaceutical companies, especially where you're so dependent on readouts, on biology, on the real thing, right, and we cannot control everything. So that's something that I've been learning every day, I think, to also trust that some things will be fine as they are and other things I cannot control. So I try to move on what I can and other things, except that they are not controllable at the end and move on and try the next thing.
Speaker 4:Maybe that's part of the value of having spent time in South America. You've now got this combination of Swiss precision, swiss determinism to be, you know, perfect almost, and the amazing spirit of South America, who can roll with the punches and who can adapt and overcome and, you know, keep smiling and keep dancing even when times get hard. So now you've got to combine superpower.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's true. I mean we definitely can learn so much from other cultures and from South America. I took so many things with me. That's like especially, as you said, right looking at life and taking what you can and not letting yourself be brought back or torn back by the fact that you're not perfect yet.
Speaker 2:Tell us more, Cortina, please, about what are you currently doing within safety and how does that develop into the future. We're excited to hear that.
Speaker 3:Absolutely yeah. So I'm also super fascinated and enthusiastic about my current position, so happy to share more. So, as you said, I'm a safety network insights leader and this is a very new function within Roche to bring like this vision that we have of future patient safety into place. So I'm working very closely with, like the global product teams, but also the local affiliates, to advance the safety of our products and to think about what are the need in the local affiliates, in the countries and respect to safety, but also what can we already anticipate will come up and, together with, like the global and local functions, create solutions and think about what do we need to do next to make sure and the safety of our products can be improved and can be accelerated.
Speaker 3:And that's extremely, extremely great to be working there, so fulfilling, to really see how safety has become a much more integral part of the product strategy, of the work that we are doing for our patients in the affiliates, and also seeing how can we connect with other functions, not working isolated just within our patient safety community, just within Roche, but starting to reach out to our patients, to our customers, to HCPs, to understand what are the real problems and what are the real needs within safety and how can we move that forward, and I think that's also how I would see the future of patient safety.
Speaker 3:I'm really convinced that we are, that we will not or that we cannot focus anymore just on ourselves, on like the company itself or just patient safety, or like drug safety even, but that we need to have the patient more and more in the core of our business, that we need to think about them and bring solutions for them, and that we also need to connect much more with the outside and internally as well, to make sure we are moving on much more quickly and much more impactful. So that's how I hope we will move on and that's what I see already, starting in Roche, for sure.
Speaker 4:And, if I understand correctly, you're pioneering a new app. Maybe you could tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 3:Absolutely yeah.
Speaker 3:So that's actually something that started within the Swiss affiliate and the application is called Met Wallet.
Speaker 3:So that's an application that is basically a beyond the pill solution and it helps patients or people yeah, in general to have an accompanying app that will have all of the information that they need on their product with them all the time, wherever they are, and always the most up to date information.
Speaker 3:It also allows them to have everything in one single place, so in that one application they can store also, like their healthcare professionals or their medical staff. They can also share this information with their relatives, so it really allows them to take an active role of the treatment and to be well educated. And that brings me again to our discussion at the beginning education. I think it's such an essential part and it's even more so important for patients or people that are treated because they need to know what can they do to have, like, a proper administration, what do they need to follow in case they have adverse event and how can they make the treatment safer by acting in the right moments. And that's really what we try to do with that application to help them know about their treatment, to help them take an active part and also to give them the trust that they need within their daily life, that they have the information they need everywhere where they are with them.
Speaker 4:And does that track any medication or only Roche products?
Speaker 3:Good question. So currently we only can provide information in respect to Roche products, so also only patients that have these drugs prescribed can also access the information itself. However, the application is open for anyone. So everyone within the countries that have launched already, that have launched already MedBallet, can access the application, can use it to track their medications manually so they can add any kind of products. They just don't have any product specific content there apart from what they fill in themselves.
Speaker 2:I've been checking the download Met Wallet, but is that not available in the Apple Store?
Speaker 3:It is, but only in Switzerland, the UAE and New Zealand. So far, these are the three countries that have already launched Met Wallet, and so it's only available there, but as soon as it will be available in other countries as well.
Speaker 2:I've heard a few other affiliates are in touch with you and are trying to get that as well, so that that's making the rounds. What kind of reaction have you had from other affiliates?
Speaker 3:Yeah. So in general we've received very good feedback and a lot of interest to have this application also in their countries, because I think it's also, let's say, a little bit obvious that we need to start doing that right. We cannot always stick to print materials. We cannot always just inform our patients with the booklets that they will not always have with them. So I think most of the countries realize that sooner or later we need to start doing that, and it's just about when can they really start and invest to implement it. But there has definitely been a lot of interest and also from healthcare professionals and from patients. There is a very great feedback on the application, which is really nice to see.
Speaker 2:That's exciting to hear. So tell us about the first time you heard about Met Wallet and how the first meetings went, and if you compare that with the feedback you have now within the Swiss affiliate and beyond, how does that compare for you?
Speaker 3:So I've started quite from almost the beginning of the idea, let's say so.
Speaker 3:We only had a prototype back then, which was basically just something on the screen that you could see how could it look like in the future, and then we have developed this solution for now, I think, two years or one and a half years, for sure, until we launched and we did this whole creation and development. We did a very close collaboration with patients to make sure that what we are creating is also fit for purpose and has a value for the ones that will be using it. And this is so inspiring to see, first of all, that there was this idea and finally has become life. But secondly, also, there is this need to develop something like that, and we have seen that, or we have created that with our patients and through that, also developed something, delivered, something that can be used and that is being used. So I think that what is the most exciting thing and obviously now that other countries already joined, that's a great excitement to see that it goes and more patients can get access to it, so that we're really moving forward with that as well.
Speaker 4:And that's yeah. So if you think about the day-to-day work, what keeps you motivated? When sometimes things take a year and a half or two years to go from an idea to something that's tangibly there making a difference, how do you stay motivated?
Speaker 3:Yeah. So in general, I think it's also because I love what I am doing. So that's for sure one thing. And on the other side, I'll also see the very tangible what is it that we are delivering and why are we doing that? And maybe I can start quickly to share something quite personal and that also links very specifically now to MetWallet. So we have developed this application, as you already know, and something that really drove me, or that really ignites me every day again about this specific product and really why I want to drive MetWallet, is the story of my mother-in-law.
Speaker 3:So my mother-in-law, she's called Olga. She's this wonderful person and I only want to quickly tell you that because it's really that definition of a Latin person, a Latino person that you've also met when you were traveling, probably to South America. She's a person that gives all the time, that has so much to give, that has this energy and this love. So that's the person that I have in mind if I tell you the story, and that's also why my voice already gets a little bit shivering, because that's really yeah, it's so touching if you know her. So Olga came to Switzerland and she got together with her husband, thomas. They had two children, everything was perfect. They had this perfect family life.
Speaker 3:Let's say, when the two boys were around 10 years old, she was taking a routine gynecologist test and in that test she was diagnosed suddenly with breast cancer, and you can imagine that from one moment to the other that family life was shattered. There was not a family life anymore that was existing, and every time that she tells me the story or that we're talking about that in the family, it crushes my heart to hear what has been going on. But even more so, I am so shocked by what has happened to her, based on the treatment as well, because she was then treated immediately, of course, and that's the moment when it started to become even more horrifying to her, because she was struck heavily by side effects. She told me she was feeling as if she was dying, but she was not doing anything, she was just waiting. She was not going to the doctor, she was just waiting and suffering from that pain, and she was waiting as long as she had her next infusion.
Speaker 3:So she went to the infusion the next time, to the hospital, and then the doctors were, of course, directly stopping everything they needed to treat the side effects. First she needed to be monitored. She needed to be in the hospital, and, to me, what struck me the most when I heard the story, or when we were talking about that, is that she didn't go to the doctor because she didn't know what to do. She just thought that this was all normal, that this was all part of the deal, but it was heavy side effects that she should have managed much earlier on, and it's just by luck that she still had enough time to go to the hospital and to be treated.
Speaker 3:And so that's what motivates me every day to say we need to get something on the market. We need to have information readily available, not in a print material that is lost somewhere or that is not there if you're on traveling, but on your smartphone that you have there every time. And yeah, also, as I'm talking to Olga now, she so she, happily is fine again, she survived. But if we're talking together about that time and I've shared with her also about this med wallet application she said her life would have been totally different, her treatment would have been so much different because she would have had all the information she needed. And so, yeah, that's, I think, what what brings me forward every day.
Speaker 4:Well, I look forward to you and your team. Getting med wallet to everybody in the world Sounds exciting.
Speaker 3:So that, thank you.
Speaker 2:We understand that Christina Bischofskartenbach, the secret innovation power of emerging safety not secret but very public right that she's invited you to the competency accelerator to further develop your horizon and your managerial scale. Tell us more about your motivation to accept that invitation.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely. So. That's the topic I love to talk about, because I think the CAE, the competency accelerator, is just a great program. It's really something that I've been looking forward to for a long time. So I think I've mentioned that previously, but I'm what really like.
Speaker 3:What I love to do is learning on one side and but also like these, these meaningful connections to people, and I'm so how can I say?
Speaker 3:I'm really convinced, I'm a firm believer that the success of work of an organization depends on the people that are there and on how they like, on the personality as well that they start to build, and so that's why I think there's approach of having a very personal development focus, development that makes that motivated so much or that's what I think is needed as well to move on with an organization and to bring us to a next level. So what I'm looking forward to with the competency accelerator is really to start thinking much more about what is the thing that I can, that I want to achieve, what is the impact that I can bring, how can I connect to that purpose and how can I make it real and tangible every day that I'm working, and to therefore like to what we have been talking before already. How can this, this flow of energy and this, this, how can I say these skills and everything a person has within them, really flow outside and change the world? So that's what I hope to learn there, much more. Is that what I can expect?
Speaker 2:Thomas, I think we're both speechless because that's exactly what we look forward to doing with you and we're honored to be doing that in Core 5 at this program. That really is that has at the heart to scale your impact, to scale your influence and to make sure that your voice is heard and that your impact is felt within and outside of the organization. So we really look forward to doing that with you. In closing, could we ask you for those that are now studying at ITH Zurich, that are into studying biomedicine or medical engineering or medicine, right so the future medical doctors, if you pull back 15 years or so and 10 years, and what would you recommend? People that are just starting out in their career that want to make a difference in healthcare? What are you seeing now on your horizon that you wish you would have known before?
Speaker 3:That's a great question. So I think, first of all, it's very difficult if you start at university to know what is work at there, in industry or in any other place, so you don't have any idea. And what helped me, and what I would suggest every person to do, is to start talking to people and to learn about all the options that are out there, so to connect with people that are working in different places and to find out what is their work like and how can you imagine yourself to be doing that right? So I think that's probably the key thing to find out what you want to do and also to find the right thing for you.
Speaker 3:And then also, I think it's a lot about, again, this productivity of how can I say, of connecting to the other world. So I think at university you're learning so much within like research and about natural sciences, about all of the things in the nitty-gritty detail, which is great, but I can only encourage also connecting to what are the impacts that can flow out of that and how would that look like specifically? Yeah, so if anyone has the chance to do an internship or start working somewhere, do that and think about what is the connection to the reword that you're doing in your daily life or that you're studying. I think that's the most interesting thing as well, and it changes the way of how you see your university degree as well. So maybe these two things.
Speaker 4:Great advice. Well, thank you so much for spending your time with us and our listeners and sharing more about what's happening in the industry around safety and new apps and a path forward for a better life for patients.
Speaker 3:Sure, thank you so much, Thomas and Justin. It was great talking to you.
Speaker 2:Thanks for being on our show. Thanks very much, Kodala.
Speaker 3:Thank you.
Speaker 4:So, thomas, what are your reflections on that conversation?
Speaker 2:I really wish people could have seen the video. You know the energy, the clarity, just the way Kodala is focused and the way she has this nice productivity about where she's going and this way of how she brings that together. Which people would have seen that as we were discussing the different points? Because for me Kodala is an example of a real, not just a high potential, but as somebody that just right jumped in. She's been with Roche for about four years now and she jumped in. She took projects upon herself and I like her thinking. I like her thinking of what she does now. I like her thinking about the future of safety. That was wonderful to see.
Speaker 4:Well, I don't think the video is going to be necessary to fill that energy. So for me, what stands out is she has so clearly her why and she can see the impact on what she's working on with patients from the beginning. Sometimes we work on products and then find out how they translate to patients and she's already in the patient's shoes and thinking and designing and delivering based on that. So she's skipping the step that a lot of people get hung up on and connecting directly with the patient needs. I think that's a real asset for the teams that she participates on.
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